You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser. Was Thrall justified in ending Garrosh Hellscream's life? Yes Votes: 94 No Votes: 22 Total voters Nov 5, 23, Basically in terms of context: Garrosh had been tried by the Horde and the Alliance for his crimes.
Before the verdict is reached, he and his followers escape and the Verdict isn't reached but it is pretty much stated that Garrosh would not have been put to death. Later Thrall entered the fray and challenged Garrosh to mak'gora which is a duel of honor. One weapon vs One weapon. How this fight play out is shown through this cutscene Garrosh pretty much beats Thrall, knocking his weapon out of his hand and beating on him then Thrall basically decides enough is enough and uses his shaman magic to kill Garrosh with a lighting bolt.
While you could make a pretty solid argument that Garrosh's crimes were too numerious for him to let him go free but at the same time he should have really been brought in a second time or at least disabled so the Horde and Alliance could make a judgment rather then Thrall just being judge,jury and executioner. Also Thrall pretty much cheated in that he used his magic powers - not giving Garrosh at least a true one and one fight.
What do you think? Brass Body Dave Banned. Oct 25, 16, Thrall's a fuckin weiner and Garrosh should not have been killed. He's useful for the Horde. Thrall has always been a soft weenie. Brass Body Dave said:. Click to expand TheGamingNewsGuy said:. At that point in the story, Garrosh had commited too many crimes for the Horde to accept him back and the Alliance would still want him dead. He was too much a loose cannon to be left alive. Perhaps they should have sent him and his crew to a land far away Jun 10, 5, He should not have used his shamanic powers to kill Garrosh.
The spirits and the elements were very angry with Thrall afterwards. His uncontrolled act of vengeance is why he decided to leave the Horde afterwards and spend his days on Outland. Weebos Member. Oct 25, 7, He'd already been put on trial and escaped from that. I think killing him was justifiable under those circumstances. That said, I think we would be in a very interesting place in the WoW story if Garrosh was still running around. Maybe we will see him in Shadowlands, though not sure how dying on Draenor affects that.
Weebos said:. Deleted member User requested account closure Banned. Jan 24, 10, Hippopuncher12 Member. Oct 25, 11, O-H-I-O. Yeah, because fuck Garrosh. Fuck Sylvanas as well, but I have a feeling they are gonna "gotcha" us with her storyline and that she is doing what she is doing for the greater good. Fuck her anyway. The problem is when the office is in the hands of someone who is NOT a capable and well meaning ruler.
Baine is dead, and the Tauren licking their wounds from a civil war that Garrosh may have conspired to cause. The Forsaken are being exploited as expendable shock troops in Lordaeron. The Horde enters Catacyslm weakened and vulnerable; the Tauren are under assault from Quillboar and Theramore. The Trolls are on the verge of ditching.
The Forsaken are dropping like flies, and what is Garrosh doing with any of them? Just telling them to pick their boots up and win more. Oh right, lounging around orgrimmar, i guess. Garrosh set the Horde up for its failures in then ext four expansions. And so his storyline is all about overcompensating for his insecurity. And because of that, he actually made both the horde and his own position much, much weaker. Garrosh could have been the best warchief the Horde ever had.
Warchief Garrosh, without his crippling insecurity, would have been a totally towering figure leading a Horde golden age. Buuuuut… he was a wuss at heart, knew it, and destroyed everything around him because of it. Garrosh is well-known for his fierce hatred of the Alliance. This appears to stem from his belief that the orcish people deserve a better quality of life than Durotar can offer and views the Alliance as his primary obstacle in making this happen. To this end, he has expressed the desire for war with the Horde's rival faction multiple times, and was of the opinion that the Horde should simply take what it needs — both before and after his ascension to Warchief.
His failures to easily attain whatever he wants for the Horde, the Alliance's tenacity in the war, and the doubt and disrespect the rest of the Horde show him, slowly push him towards insanity with his aggression extending to the Dragonflights and culminating in a plan of complete genocide of anything non-orc. His disregard for a more diplomatic approach is applauded by many of the orcs, who view his uncompromising attitude in regards to securing his people a future to be inspiring.
Garrosh himself is becoming aware of the tested bonds between him and his fellow leaders of the Horde, though he doesn't care, and indeed his solution to them is simply to make them enemies as well. In anticipation of the Tides of War novel's release, WoW Insider had the opportunity to interview the author behind the novel, Christie Golden :. Garrosh's personality in game and out has done a lot of shifting back and forth.
We see him get a lot darker in Tides. How did you go about developing his character? He was very hostile about his father and ashamed of his father, and it took Thrall to say, "Hey, look, you know your dad did some pretty amazing things despite everything.
He also had to prove himself in battle externally. And now he is surrounding himself with some very bad and dangerous advisors, externally. Because I think that at the core, he doesn't really know. He wants to do well. He wants to preserve the orcs and their pride and their history.
But I think he is actually a rather malleable person whose opinions can change. He doesn't have a strong core. I think the main difference -- Jaina has a very strong core. And when adversity and disaster and personal torment rip her down to nothing but that core, that core is still intact. It's hurt, but it's intact. And Garrosh doesn't really have a strong core. So what he believes kind of changes depending on what the situation is and who's talking.
And I think that does not a good strong leader make. In his first appearance in the Burning Crusade, Garrosh used a generic Mag'har model with scars across his cheeks, a calm expression, and a topknot likely intended to reference his father's long hair.
Grom's model was also depicted like this in the vision shown by Thrall due to model limitations. His trading card game model was an exact illustration of his in game model. In Garrosh's next appearance in the comic " Threat! In Cataclysm , Garrosh's model was changed to a hulking yellow-eyed orc with a smaller sized head likely in reference to the comic , his jaw was tattooed, and his head was now fully shaved.
Ultimately, Garrosh's appearance bulky with a shaved head had become practically the inverse of Grom's lean with long hair. Garrosh's use of the sha during the Siege of Orgrimmar left scars on his skin in the form of dark tracings resembling webby fingers. There, the skull can be seen as part of Garrosh's throne. Part of the tusks were cut off and fashioned into Garrosh's new shoulder armor. My arms grow restless, anxiously waiting to drive my axes into the skull of the Lich King.
Thrall would have us wait and let the Scourge continue to grow in strength. I will not have this! If we are to end the threat of the Lich King, we must sail to Northrend and give him the full might of the Horde!
Our forces are ready and willing to exact revenge for the deaths wrought by the plague and invasion. The razing of Orgrimmar was not just an attack against orcs, it was an affront to the Horde. An assault against our very existence! Varok Saurfang turns around to speak with Garrosh.
High Overlord Saurfang says: We are surrounded Our enemies press in from all sides, young Hellscream. Saurfang walks to the central and Borean Tundra portions of the hide map of Northrend on the floor, kneeling to point them out, then walks off the map to stand before Garrosh. High Overlord Saurfang says: The Scourge descends like locust from the north.
High Overlord Saurfang says: The Alliance holds the only secure shipping lane in this region, and even that is at risk of being lost to those dreaded mists. High Overlord Saurfang says: Our only viable port for resupply is held by the Forsaken on the other side of this blasted continent! High Overlord Saurfang says: Anything our zeppelins cannot haul must be brought in by ship and travel the length of Northrend to reach us. Saurfang walks back to his usual spot. Garrosh Hellscream grunts. Garrosh walks up to the map and kneels.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Shipping lanes You bore me to death! We need nothing more than the warrior spirit of the Horde , Saurfang! Now that we are firmly entrenched in this frozen wasteland, nothing shall stop us!
High Overlord Saurfang says: Siege engines, ammunition, heavy armor How do you propose to shatter the walls of Icecrown without those?
Garrosh stands. Garrosh Hellscream says: Propose? I will show you what I propose! Garrosh crushes the figures and flag indicating Valiance Keep on the map. Garrosh Hellscream says: There Now we now have a shipping lane. Garrosh crushes the figures and flags indicating Valgarde and Westguard Keep. Garrosh Hellscream says: And just for good measure Garrosh walks back to his usual spot.
High Overlord Saurfang says: So the prodigal son has spoken! High Overlord Saurfang says: Your father 's blood runs strong in you, Hellscream. Impatient as always Impatient and reckless. High Overlord Saurfang says: You rush headlong into all-out war without a thought of the consequences.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Do not speak to me of consequences, old one. High Overlord Saurfang says: I drank of the same blood your father did, Garrosh. Mannoroth 's cursed venom pumped through my veins as well. High Overlord Saurfang says: I drove my weapons into the bodies and minds of my enemies. High Overlord Saurfang says: And while Grom died a glorious death - freeing us all from the blood curse - he could not wipe away the terrible memory of our past.
High Overlord Saurfang says: His act could not erase the horrors we committed. High Overlord Saurfang pauses. High Overlord Saurfang says: The winter after the curse was lifted, hundreds of veteran orcs like me were lost to despair. High Overlord Saurfang says: Our minds were finally free, yes Free to relive all of the unthinkable acts that we had performed under the Legion 's influence. High Overlord Saurfang nods. High Overlord Saurfang says: I think it was the sounds of the draenei children that unnerved most of them You never forget When the swine are of age for the slaughter It's that sound.
The sound of the swine being killed It resonates the loudest. Those are hard times for us older veterans.
Garrosh Hellscream says: But surely you cannot think that those children were born into innocence? They would have grown up and taken arms against us! High Overlord Saurfang shakes his head. High Overlord Saurfang says: I am not speaking solely of the children of our enemies High Overlord Saurfang says: I won't let you take us down that dark path again, young Hellscream.
I'll kill you myself before that day comes Saurfang turns away and looks at the map instead. Garrosh Hellscream says: How have you managed to survive for so long, Saurfang? Not fallen victim to your own memories? Saurfang turns around for a moment to answer.
High Overlord Saurfang says: I don't eat pork High Overlord Saurfang spits. With the Warsong Offensive here in Icecrown Citadel, victory is within our grasp! The death of the Lich King will bring glory to the Horde! Northrend requires your attention Overlord Hellscream. We will deal with the Lich king and his minions without your aid. Having learned of the circumstances that led to him killing Cairne, Garrosh sends this reply:. Please add any available information to this section.
Garrosh is a playable character in Heroes of the Storm. On the alternate Draenor , Garrosh was never born. In another alternate timeline, Warchief Garrosh, having killed Cairne, was killed by Baine. The young Bloodhoof tore Hellscream apart with his bare hands and succeeded him as the next Warchief of the Horde.
According to Anachronos , the prime universe Garrosh is one of the darkest and most twisted versions of him. In most other timelines he ended up becoming the Horde's greatest leader and a true hero to his people. Garrosh by Glenn Rane artwork for BlizzCon On the Ultimate Visual Guide cover art. Concept art of Garrosh standing at the Grommashar throne. On the Worldbreaker TCG expansion art.
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Scourge forces are attacking Orgrimmar! Thrall: We will finish this later, son of Grom. Garrosh Hellscream: Well, Warchief? What say you now? Will you send me to Northrend? Thrall: Saurfang High Overlord Saurfang: Yes, Warchief? Thrall: Marshal our forces. Contact our goblin shipwrights. The Horde prepares for war! High Overlord Saurfang: As you command Warchief! Lady Sylvanas Windrunner: Excellent Thrall: It ends like it began Thrall: All that we have fought for in this world is lost.
The hopes and dreams carried by my father and mother Thrall: If only you were here right now, old friend. You would know what to do. Saurfang: I know what he would do. Saurfang: He would say to you: Thrall, lead your people.
Saurfang: Let's go home, old friend. Thrall: It's good to have you back, Varok, old friend. I'm sorry about your boy. Thrall: Garrosh, I expect you to control yourself here. I do not want a repeat of the Violet Citadel. Garrosh Hellscream: Pah! That was a show of strength, worthy of a leader. I only regret I did not kill that human before the mage interfered.
Thrall: We are guests here, Garrosh, and you will conduct yourself honorably. Garrosh Hellscream: What honor is there in thrashing about with blunted sticks? This is a waste of time. Overlord Hellscream. Thrall: Thank you for the invitation, Lord Fordring. We look forward to observing these games. Garrosh Hellscream: Speak for yourself, Thrall.
Highlord Tirion Fordring: I hope you'll see the merit of these events in time, Garrosh. We cannot win against the Scourge if we continue to war against one another. Thrall: Wise words. Garrosh Hellscream: Words of a fool, you mean. The Horde will destroy the undead without your aid, human, or that of the pompous king. Thrall: Garrosh, enough! Highlord Tirion Fordring: Under my roof, gentlemen, I trust you will behave. Thrall: Of course, Tirion. I apologize for his outburst. It will not be repeated.
Garrosh Hellscream: Bah. Highlord Tirion Fordring: If you will follow me, then. Vision of Thrall: Vol'jin. It is good to see you, brother. Vol'jin: Thrall! I am glad ya be well.
Dere were rumors otherwise. Vision of Thrall: Indeed. Someone did try to kill me, but that is not my greatest concern at the moment. The world itself calls for my aid. Vol'jin: I must beg ya council my friend. I can't be standin' by Garrosh while he be turnin' our people against each other for the sake of war. My respect for ya does not extend to dis new Horde I am tinkin' of leadin' my people away. Vision of Thrall: Vol'jin, I chose Garrosh because he has the strength to lead our people through these trying times.
Vision of Thrall: For all my supposed wisdom, there have been moments that I've barely been able to hold the Horde together. The Wrath Gate and Undercity displayed that clearly.
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